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7 Reasons Why People Hate K-pop And How To Respond To Them

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Hating on K-pop sort of became a trend, and got multiplied with Psy’s rise to international fame. As I am reading YouTube comments, I cannot help but shake my head at the “reasons” why people hate K-pop. I decided to write this open letter to all haters, because, frankly, you guys all get it wrong. I’m going to give my five cents on the most widespread reasons haters give for disliking K-pop.

Of course, you are going to hate me for it, but I still hope that some of you will actually take the time to think about what I have written.

#1 Threshold of Originality

Probably the most frequently used reasoning is that K-pop is unoriginal. It supposedly copies American music, heavily relies on samples and “steals” from other artists.

Now, the first thing we need to examine is what the word ‘original‘ means. It doesn’t only mean that something was created first, from scratch. In art, original also means that it’s unique, it’s creative, imaginative. Those who studied art history would know that pieces of art are rarely truly made from scratch. Literary works and musical pieces, as well, build upon centuries of knowledge, previously published works. For you to create something truly original, it is not required to have a tabula rasa mind – none of us can do it, since we can see, hear, feel the world around us, with all its previously published knowledge. Even such works like Tolkien’s Lord of the Rings, the originality of which no one could deny, draws from popular European mythology, from Beowulf  to the Finnish Kalevala. Referencing other works will not make you any less original.

Second, do you think American artists (or European, for that matter) don’t employ samples or build upon others’ works? Maybe you don’t realise it, but there are hardly any artists who do not utilize sampling. Hip-hop, the genre itself, is well-know for building on samples, from Eminem’s My Name Is sampling Labi Siffre’s I Got The to Coolio’s epic Gangsta’s Paradise drawing upon (basically reworking) Pastime Paradise by Stevie Wonder. But huge hits like Vanilla Ice’s Ice Ice Baby, U Can’t Touch This by MC Hammer, Come with Me by Sean Combs (sampling Led Zeppelin), or (sic) by Slipknot all utilise samples. Skrillex is also known for using loops in his songs – and there are many, many more examples.

So why is it a problem, that for example, G-Dragon sampled (legally) Rhu by Redd Holt Unlimited in But I Love You?

#2 LYRICS

The number two reason people cite for hating K-pop is “mindless” lyrics, repetitive words, the use of random English, and generally “bad quality” lyrics.

Well, I cannot argue that some of the K-pop lyrics are not shallow. Or ridiculous. So, if we look at American lyrics, they are much better in quality – I would assume, since haters prefer American music.

So, let’s see some of the biggest American hits:

Rihanna: Diamond

Shine bright like a diamond
Shine bright like a diamond
Shine bright like a diamond
Shine bright like a diamond
Shine bright like a diamond
Shine bright like a diamond
Shine bright like a diamond

Because American singers don’t use repetition. At all.

Beyonce: Run The World (Girls):

Who run the world? Girls! [x4]
Who run this motha? Girls! [x4]
Who run the world? Girls! [x4]

Boy don’t even try to touch this
Boy this beat is crazy
This is how they made me
Houston Texas baby

Because American lyrics are always meaningful. And don’t use repetition. And the rhymes are not childish, at all.

Kanye West: Mercy

Lamborghini Mercy
Your chick she so thirsty
I’m in that two seat Lambo
With your girl she tryna jerk me

Because American lyrics are always beautiful and grammatically correct, and full of philosophical depth.

Right? No? Then why do you hate on K-pop lyrics? And just to correct the picture, there are a lot of songs with very meaningful and deep lyrics – just like not all American songs feature the type of lyrics sampled above.

For example, you can check out any Tablo or Epik High song for beautiful/meaningful lyrics. Tablo is well-known for his lyrical vein, and he can also write heart-wrenchingly beautiful lyrics in English. The poetic beauty of K-pop lyrics may get a bit lost in translation, but that’s not the original’s fault.

Or this beautiful song by T.O.P. of BIGBANG, inspired by a letter from a dying fan:

#3 All the songs sound the same

Seriously? I cannot really take this kind of attitude as a serious argument, so I would say, you need an ear check-up, urgently! Or listen to something else than Psy’s Gangnam Style and Gentleman in a row…

Three random songs from this year. Do they sound the same? Or alike? Even a tiny bit?

#4 Plastic Surgery

This is a popular one. I mean, as a reason to hate on K-pop. Here’s the deal: yes, some K-pop artists have gone under the knife, while others have not. Contrary to popular (ignorant) opinion, not everyone has had surgery. Besides, it’s not as if American artists haven’t had such jobs done. The most famous examples are Cher and Michael Jackson, but Mariah Carey, Ashlee Simpson and Britney Spears also have had some done.  And of course, this is not even a complete list of Western celebrities who’ve had a little work done here and there.

So what’s the big deal with K-pop plastic surgery? Everywhere in the entertainment industry there is a standard of beauty, whether we like it or not. It’s not like this is a K-pop-exclusive phenomenon.

Watch this informative video from Eat Your Kimchi about plastic surgery in Korea, because there is much more to this below the surface, and maybe you will understand it a bit better:

#5 All the guys look gay/feminine

No. Not all of them look effeminate, and effeminate doesn’t equal gay. ‘Flower boys’, as they are called in Korea, is a social phenomenon, not just a pop industry flick. It involves multiple layers and is more complex than you would ever think. Shortly, young Korean men tend to spend more time on grooming themselves than Western men. Using cosmetic products like BB creams, foundation or eyeliners is not an awkward thing.  It’s part of a social expectation of having to look your best. It’s not going to make anyone gay.  “Gayness” is not an illness you can catch by using make-up. K-pop is also a visual package, built on imagery, color, texture. It’s a different culture, but different does not mean worse and definitely does not mean ‘gay’.

If you would like to know some background about the development of flower boys in Korea, read this article. We do admit, that this poses an obstacle to the spread of K-pop in the mainstream market, but that is due to the immediate prejudice – people like to hate on things they don’t understand, rather than take the time to educate themselves about it.

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Choi Siwon. He’s a K-pop idol. He’s not pretty. He’s not feminine.

#6 K-pop idols cannot sing

Now, this is probably the most ignorant “argument” of all. These people clearly haven’t seen any live K-pop performances, or maybe they stumbled upon some groups of lesser quality.  Does that mean that EVERYONE in K-pop is a bad singer? Every genre has better and worse singers.  American music does too. Have you heard Ailee belt out her heart? Have you ever seen XIA Junsu perform live? Have you ever listened to and got shivers down your spine from Lee Honggi’s voice? Jaejoong‘s magical tenor? Or 17-year-old Lee Hi‘s blasting vocals? No? Then you know nothing about K-pop singers’ vocal abilities, and I’m sorry.

#7 K-pop is manufactured

Apparently, this is a problem. Well, I hate to burst your bubble, but do you think your favourite American artists are not “manufactured”? You do know, don’t you, that pop musicians everywhere on the globe have managers, stylists, make-up artists, PR and marketing teams, who work on their images, who tell them what to say and not say to the media, prepare them for concerts and events and take care of their daily needs?

What makes K-pop “different” is that it is all systematic. They have an agency which incorporates all these functions, instead of contracting subcontractors (management company, PR agency, marketing agency, stylist etc). Lady Gaga has a PR agency.  She has contracted a company that manages her relationship with her fans. It’s all about branding, and if you think all the branding behind American megastars is done by the artists themselves, then you are fatally mistaken. These people wouldn’t even have time to do everything themselves. The only difference is that all this is done by one agency in Korea, without giving the work to several subcontractors.

Musically speaking, American artists, too, have producers who write and compose songs for them. Some singers do contribute to their own songs.  Others merely sing what famous (or less famous) songwriters give them. That’s how it works globally, from Norway to Peru. So, why is it a problem that some K-pop singers aren’t songwriters?

Just like with American artists, some do write their own songs, and recently, there are more and more idols who actively participate in production. G-Dragon has 141 songs to his name and receives almost a million dollars a year in royalties from them. Among others, Block B members, H.O.T’s Kangta, Shinhwa’s Minwoo, Beast’s Junhyung, FTISLAND and CNBLUE members, Tablo, Jay Park, the members of JYJ, have all contributed to their albums.

The ladies don’t have to hide, either. Brown Eyed Girls’ Miryo and Jea, Secret’s Zinger, Wonder Girls’ Yenny, G.NA, Juniel, BoA, and Girls’ Generation’s Yuri have all composed and written songs – and this list is nowhere near complete.


Block B’s hit Nillili Mambo was co-composed and written by Zico


I understand that some people don’t like K-pop. Everyone is entitled to their own tastes. I myself, used to not like K-pop in the beginning. But I educated myself about it, and that’s how I discovered the “other side.” Disliking something because your musical taste differs is worlds apart from hating on something based on fabricated arguments that a) don’t even have a proper foundation and b) are based on simple ignorance about a topic into which you don’t have insight.

Instead of simply hating on K-pop out of ignorance, try to look into it first and see whether your arguments actually make sense. This is true not only for K-pop, but for anything you generally “feel like” hating.

Video sources: LoveKpopSubs8jstasimplesub2 (2), eatyourkimchi, BEAST, BIGBANG, 4minute; KBS, 1theK Photo sources: Dramahaven, YG Family

155 Comments

  1. -----

    February 2, 2019 at 1:54 am

    There are only two stupid reasons I see in the list:
    1. Plastic Surgery. Not ALL of them had PS and even if they did, it’s probably so subtle that you could hardly notice any changes. This reason definitely stems from the fact that Korea is the Capital of Plastic Surgery in the entire world but it’s also undoubtedly ignorant to think that every person that has ever lived in Korea had gone through PS. To be simple, beauty standards are high in Korea.
    2. Too feminine. If you’re talking about the makeup part, I don’t agree because as I said, beauty standards are high as f. They act too “gay” and childish? I find that stupid because if you’re hanging out with your friends who you’ve known for a long time, I think you’re bound to joke about almost anything.

  2. Gaby

    January 23, 2019 at 10:49 am

    There’s a fine border between criticism and racism.

  3. Gabs

    January 23, 2019 at 10:48 am

    I hope people know that there’s a fine border between criticism and racism, and some of y’all are way far from that line.

  4. TheCommonCold43

    December 5, 2017 at 4:37 pm

    lol jisooyeeun you’re a fucking asshole. believe it or not, not everyone will have the same preferences. how fucking hard is that to understand? people like you are why kpop has such a bad name.

  5. Hobi's “Hidden” Forehead

    April 30, 2017 at 5:14 am

    @peter thomas You think someone as busy as BTS would remember one person in particular and be able to backtalk about them? Oh please. Don’t flatter yourself. They meet millions of people everyday. As if ONE PERSON could POSSIBLY grasp their attention for more than a few MOMENTS.

  6. Hobi's “Hidden” Forehead

    April 30, 2017 at 5:10 am

    @Zaxx Understand something: Just because everyone has their sexual preferences, doesn’t give you the right to mock them. They are no better than you NOR are you better than them. They have certain beauty standards that the likes of you wouldn’t understand. Before you insult them, EDUCATE YOURSELF COMPLETELY WITH SEVERAL ARTICLES. I assure you, you’ll understand that your “opinion” is no more than a small MISUNDERSTANDING <3 Enjoy your stay.

  7. cinthya

    April 19, 2017 at 5:01 am

    well haters are haters

  8. Music Lover

    April 16, 2017 at 12:26 pm

    Thank you for this wonderful article. It is true that K-Pop has its flaws but opinions of some people who hate the music genre are really just plain STUPID.
    I like K-Pop because it’s art and music mixed in one and it’s very entertaining. There are a lot of amazing songs produced in the Western side and so does K-Pop. Music is music. C’mon…

  9. Zaxx

    March 27, 2017 at 10:07 pm

    Ur So true man! almost all the girls in our school Freaking loves Kpop gays IDK why! It sucks!

  10. Xx1dtobtsxX

    March 18, 2017 at 6:39 am

    Really? Internet trolls these days.

  11. JisooYeeun

    March 17, 2017 at 10:17 pm

    Lets start saying….You are just a piece of shit.its impossible not be rude with you.i don’t fucking care if you dont like kpop,i know you know nothing about it. What is good music to you jerk? You know NOTHING ABOUT KPOP ,THAT’S OBVIOUSLY GOOD MUSIC. I WANT TO SLAP YOU SO HARD BECAUSE YOU ARE JUST MAKING ME FUCKING SAD I CAN’T LIVE ANYMORE.GO FUCK YOURSELF AND LET ME LOVE GOOD MUSIC, I MEAN KPOP!

  12. JisooYeeun

    March 17, 2017 at 10:12 pm

    Wtf are you talkin about, soab?You are fucking making me crazy i want to slap you so hard! IS A DISGUSTING GENRE? THIS PEOPLE KNOWS NOTHING AND TALK SHIT.YOU ARE THE JOKE HERE.I CANT STAND YOU, STUPID. WHY ARE NOT THE FANS RUDE IF THERE ARE SON OF A BITCH LIKE YOU?
    KPOP IS AMAZING,STUPID

  13. JisooYeeun

    March 17, 2017 at 10:00 pm

    I dony fucking care your opinion, you know nothing about kpop. To be honest i am a fan of just the new kpop.not that one you disliked.so i don’t care

  14. Someone not kroean

    February 22, 2017 at 1:41 pm

    THX FOR PRAISING KPOP.

  15. forxyyenjun

    February 9, 2017 at 10:12 pm

    I dont like kpop show cuteness but i wish i have their healthy teeth

  16. Incaze (@Incaze1)

    February 4, 2017 at 5:43 am

    Most people don’t like k-pop cause of how shallow it’s
    And anyway why are you comparing Kanye the most acclaimed musician to debut in the 21st century to k-pop

  17. Non-K-pop-fan

    January 20, 2017 at 3:40 am

    This person really did point out the actual reasons why people hate k-pop! I am not a huge fan of k-pop (I’m sort of apart of the hater side). The plastic surgery is the thing that is bothering me the most. Not because of the “cheesy” lyrics, poor singing, feminine guys, and stupid songs, it’s because of the plastic surgery. I know not al k-pop artists had face reconstructions.

  18. Huy

    January 13, 2017 at 1:26 pm

    Hello guys, how you all doing? So reading the article and the comments, I feel like another reason was glossed over, the fanbase. I don’t know you guys personally, and I’m sure that you are all wonderfull people, but from where I’m from-Vietnam, the fanbase irrational actions ( google Vietnamese Kpop fans, and try to enter some of the mainstream media here; you’ll see ) had infuriated a large portion of non-Kpop-fans. So, what are your opinions about this? Have you seen any cringy fans or is this just a Vietnamese thing?

  19. What

    January 12, 2017 at 2:56 pm

    Sorry, but I doubt that a group like BTS would backtalk about some random person. And your girlfriend is what identifies as a “Koreaboo”. If people were bullying you and saying that you were Korean, I am confused as why they think that’s a bad thing.

  20. whats life smh

    January 11, 2017 at 9:24 am

    I agree. Some fan do sometimes get too out of hand for their group/artist they stan for and so forth. And everyone is entitled to their own opinions but some people who dislike kpop shouldn’t bash on kpop fans because of their “odd music taste.”

  21. Frosty

    December 25, 2016 at 8:09 pm

    Crazy kpoopers

  22. Error 220

    December 22, 2016 at 12:49 am

    Shut up ………We are not mechs…Who do you think you are??What are you an arbiter? The one who judges the dead…A losing dog have no right to bark,now shut up until I tag your leash….

  23. Don't BE TOO obsessed

    December 22, 2016 at 12:41 am

    The main problem is that they keep saying “kpop is my LIFE” …they keep on forgetting someonethat gives them almost 26,000 +gifts a day….just don’t be too obsessed or you will regret it….its okay if you like them but don’t bother others.its okay to be with it but pls. Just don’t say that “K-POP is LIFE”. Its just a virus tryin to infiltrate everyone

  24. The great spoiler

    December 22, 2016 at 12:32 am

    Same here

  25. The great spoiler

    December 22, 2016 at 12:28 am

    Yeah ….you are absolutely right having their MV with subtitles is a mess….I don’t really hate k-pop but after everyone in my class were in this deep obsession…I realized “what??lookie here ,kpop,look there,kpop,go there,kpop,watch tv ,kpop,glare that side,kpop” its simply annoying …..

  26. Jane

    December 17, 2016 at 8:48 pm

    Oh come on guys! We shouldn’t tell others love Kpop or hate it. Forexample, i like kpop. But not ALL OF THE KPOP BANDS. I just love my fave bands. As i love my fave American and English bands. Everyone just like what they think it’s lovely for them. Don’ try to make anyone a Kpop lover or hater. Just do what you want and let others do it too. Tnx
    Kpop is somehow perfect and somehow awful. Just like other music bands in the world like US.

  27. Someone

    December 13, 2016 at 10:46 am

    You cannot blame Kpop Idols and Kpop itself for it’s culture and expectations. Everywhere in the world, countries have different beauty standards. “Perfect” is subjective. In America, we have beauty standards as well, it is just not publicized as much. You are looking at their standards in just one perspective, but think about it in theirs. Is it really wrong to encourage people to be the best possible version of themselves? If a Korean wants to go under the knife to be happy and confident, then there is nothing wrong with it! Yes, it is true that in America, people are more diverse in beauty standards, however, that is solely because of our society changing what they want. Remember when you had to be skinny to be beautiful? Now, it’s being curvy that is considered beautiful. Society is separated into different sides, and people think differently in what is “Beauty.” This is not the case in Korea.

    The only difference between America and Korea in Beauty Standards is the amount of changes America goes through in what is considered beautiful, while Korea stays more or less the same as time passes. This is why people look at Kpop Idols and think “Wow, they look the same.” Or what you said “They are too double standard.” It’s only because Korea hasn’t gotten through much changes on what Beauty is considered to be their, and that shouldn’t be a Kpop Idols fault, they’re just doing their job.

    Btw, Beauty isn’t the only thing needed, you HAVE to be talented, in every music industry. Don’t let their beauty fool you into thinking they are not talented.

  28. Oxnut

    December 3, 2016 at 7:42 am

    My thoughts exactly. I like a few kpop songs just as I like only a few western pop songs, but all of it just sounds too fake in general. Most mainstream artists are manufactured, this is why I think rap kind of died when it became ‘acceptable’ enough to be put on mainstream media.
    All of this is well done, pretty, well-adjusted, ‘perfect’, but kind of… soul-less… Most of the time, I mean. And this is only emphased by how ordinary it is to have plastic surgery for these people. Pretty dolls.
    Plus, the idols are little paid and the industry is making all the benefits exploiting them (after they’ve formatted them of course).
    The music industry in general is hell, but it’s even worse for idols, sadly.
    I have nothing special against kpop specifically, but those are things to be just kept in mind. Please don’t be blind fans.
    Kpop could become more interesting, it’s becoming a thing, really. If only the artists could express more of themselves.

  29. Salim402!

    December 2, 2016 at 1:16 am

    I don’t hate Kpop it’s just i want my friends addiction to be stopped. Imagine your best friend,known since bellys, suddenly discovers kpop. After that everything is changed, she dosent talk to me a lot and never cares for me now. I loved having her as a childhood friend but now I think it is come to a end. Everything she talks about is kpop everything she does is realated to kpop. She simply said with no emotions she said she would kill herself for kpop. Life is a place to be happy in: you get food, a great family and a school to go to I don’t think that it should be wasted on a person. A life overreacting over a life? Everything has changed after that SHE DOSENT EVEN KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HER BROTHER like wtf? I bet you if you did a quiz on kpop vs her brother kpop will win. She doesn’t even know where he works or anything. I’m heartbroken to a see someone waste their precious life on.. kpop I mean she is my sister and she always has been but I don’t think she gives me enough respect to me or even care about me. She wants me to be a kpop fan, NO BITCH I’m not spending my life watching things I don’t even understand!

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  33. Fidelity

    November 21, 2016 at 10:05 pm

    You are comparing western pop music to K-pop which both equally lack of heart, cultural value and honesty. That’s why when people grow up they look up to artists that changed history in genres for example but not exclusively to rock and not commercial pop music that will only live in their memories as a good laugh and teenage guilty pleasure.

    And it’s a shame that K-pop overshadows other genres in Korea. Just like in any other part on this earth there are other genres such as traditional and western influenced music.

    Kim Kwang-seok for example a legendary Korean folk-rock singer-songwriter will never be as “pretty” and popular as the K-pop stars but his legacy and influence in the hearts of the Korean people and people worldwide who appreciate true art will live forever inspiring the generations to come. Just with his voice and an acoustic guitar he could do what any K-pop idol could never do.

  34. Golossus

    October 26, 2016 at 1:42 pm

    Because god damnit, its art! Real art is threatening and the capitalists will do whatever it takes to make sure that it’s never given a chance.These kids aren’t artists, they’re barely even performers. They’re circus animals who do as they’re told. Any trouble, any hint of rebellion, and it’s the door, kid. The look of the music – especially for the girls – is sexed-up, but in reality K-pop is as conservative as it gets. It dares not offend anyone.

  35. peter thomas

    October 16, 2016 at 2:56 pm

    kpop is so fking gay, its fake n idk y people like it. kpop has runined my life. my ex gf used to love kpop so much she loved me more then kpop. idk y but she wanted to become a korean n now she lives in korea even though she was german. idk wat to do anymore, i have met bts last year n they were nice to me but when i leave they start backbiting about me so from that moment i started hating kpop, i give this message to all the men who has a gf in this world, if ur gf likes kpop like hell then ur life is in danger, so i sugggest u talk about it, n if ur gf only pretends to hate kpop infront of u then u have got no option bc it means that ur gf doesnt likeu n the only thing she wants is kpop, mt ex liked kpop like anything so i was sick of her n i bought her a concert ticket n i broke up with her bc everyone was bullying me n teasing me saying ur a fking korean get away from me so i felt really bad.

  36. BtsArmy❤️

    October 13, 2016 at 12:24 am

    Like tf who the fuck made this page pls bitch stop it there’s many differents owkkay but you don’t need to make a page for this i just gonna say HatersGonnaHate AndKarmaIsAnBitch so stop it plss stop it

  37. BtsLoverAndHatersGonnaHate

    October 13, 2016 at 12:13 am

    Shut up bitch i’m already hate you maybe you need to click on lyricse an seewho sing bcse they do much bitch maybe jungkook sing much bcse hi have a basically voice and v like him job jimin to maybe they like to sing background or singing an part and yeahh everyone gonna do something just shut who the fuck make this site like tf

  38. Not here

    October 13, 2016 at 12:06 am

    Eumhh … excuse me that’s not when jungkook sing too much then we can hate him … i can hate u too bcse you talk to much and yeahh pls shut up if you have nothing to do in ur life everyone wants atention

  39. Habanera

    September 21, 2016 at 8:02 am

    Let me start by saying, I don’t like Kpop, I don’t think it’s good music. That being said, if you disagree, I fully support your right to do so. We’re all humans, and we should all have the same equal rights. Now to the point. First off, the whole threshold of originality thing, lots of artists sample songs, it happens, I don’t care about that. Does it make the song somewhat less original, I suppose in some way it could be argued that it does, but it happens, nothing you can do about it.Next, the songs you mentioned as a response to bad quality lyrics, those Western songs suck too. They’re terrible, they lack any real quality just as the majority of kpop (that I’ve heard at least.) Now I’m not even going to say neccessarily that *all* Kpop is bad, I’ve heard a few songs that I could say I didn’t completely hate. But in honesty, I think most of the music produced today lacks any real depth or quality. You wanna hear some real songs? Look back in time, the further back you go the better it gets. You got the classics like Dean Martin, Nat King Cole, the Andrews Sisters. You go even further back, you get to the stuff that started off music. Classics such as Ave Maria, Con Te Partiro, Caruso, etc. Great songs. Also for the record, I hate Psy’s music as well. As for songs sounding the same, most of the music produced today is that way. As for plastic surgery, I honestly don’t care about that, looks shouldn’t influence how music sounds, look at susan boyle, she has a great voice, looks like a cross between a human and a sasquatch. As for the guys looking gay, again, I don’t care about looks. I care about quality of music. I don’t listen to music for how the singer looks. I listen to music for the music. Now onto number six. Kpop idols can’t sing. This is true for some, however the same is true for some western ‘singers’ look at Justin Bieber. As for the music being manufactured, that’s happening everywhere nowadays, this just ties back into the whole “today’s music is bad”

  40. deedee

    September 12, 2016 at 11:14 pm

    lmao what did I just read ? You look so pathetic 🙁

  41. deedee

    September 12, 2016 at 10:57 pm

    wtf did I just read lmao

  42. LindsayE

    September 6, 2016 at 5:05 pm

    I love kpop but I don’t consider myself a fan because Kpop fans are crazy and I honestly feel bad how the artists are treated by their record label and their so called fans. They can’t even date without keeping it hush hush. I only hope for their happiness and their wish to pursue their creative career.

  43. Carla

    August 22, 2016 at 2:22 pm

    One more question: will these groups still be valid when they become older (30s and 40’s, dare I say 50) or does kpop have age restrictions?

  44. Carla

    August 22, 2016 at 2:15 pm

    *By worth, I mean financially

  45. Carla

    August 22, 2016 at 2:10 pm

    By the way, the only reason why I am on this site is because my friend referred me to the video, “Lotto” by Exo. To be honest, I was flabbergasted. It was weird. The sound was so close to being good, but it just wasn’t. The instrumental sounded like something that had been created ten years ago in the US (make that 15 years ago). The dancing was forced (machine-like). The choreography was outdated. I swear I saw someone crump. I lie to you not. I didn’t like crumping when it came out ten years ago. Other than that, I believe some of these guys can sing and I honestly don’t blame them. Their handlers are horrible. The singers are doing their jobs. Their handlers are just not up to date and are scared to take risks. I guess they will be dabbing and doing the whip in 2030. Also, as a side note, none of these artists are worth what Beyonce or Taylor Swift are worth. I do not enjoy Bey or Tay’s music, but I have to admit that their handlers are doing something right. There is no arguing this point.
    Lastly, we want to hear what Korea sounds like. I doubt kpop is all Korea has to offer. Is kpop a true representation of Korea? Can Koreans become successful artists without doing the status quo (make up, small facial features, facial imperfections, boy group girl group dancing, overweight etc.)? If not, that is a very limited and restrictive society. Many of the pop artists who have made history in US (and the entire world) may have never even had a chance if they had started in Korea.

  46. Carla

    August 22, 2016 at 1:29 pm

    I don’t think people are hating if they dislike kpop. Most people who dislike kpop don’t enjoy pop in general. Kpop has all of the characteristics of American pop magnified in an unflattering way. Simply put, it is not as appealing or successful globally as American pop. This is probably due to the homogeneous culture behind the music in kpop. For example, you never hear differentiations in American pop; it’s just pop. The music is created from a variety of races, cultures, sounds, and ethnic backgrounds which generally produces a more ecclectic sound. Nevertheless, American pop is not “good” music either so that is saying something. The truth is that pop is not quality music. It doesn’t challenge the mind; it entertains and that is it. With that being said, it is okay to enjoy whatever music you like, but dont take a negative comment about pop music personally. Pop was created to be simplistic, repetitive, and outlandish. Some will love it and others will hate it.

  47. jack bob (@MyappleBob)

    August 21, 2016 at 1:56 pm

    Oh come on Music Lover. You really think there any “ARTIST” left in American Pop Music Today. Its all manufactured formulaic crap. All the “ARTIST” in music are dying off. People like Bob Dylan and Neil Young. They been replace with younger narcissistic who probably never picked up an instrument in there lives. who take orders from Music producers. Who only see dollar signs. If there any “ARTIST”. There probably hanging out on Bandcamp.com. And there probably not getting singed from Record Company. And lets not pretend that Pop Music was all about the Artistry. Even in the 60’s it was all about the Money. Only you had to make Good Music to make the money. Now people are brainwashed into thinking nickelback is good. American Pop Music has been in the dumps for a least a decade. If K-Pop is getting Popular. Its probably because people realize how lazy Western Pop is now. .

  48. Lone432345

    August 21, 2016 at 1:24 pm

    American Pop Music Hasn’t been good Since the year 2000. And i can’t understand what the hell these people are saying in K-Pop song. And while a lot of it is not great. It reminds me when music in the States was at least decent. Like 80’s or 90’s. Lets put it this way. If i have to Listen to Psy vs Beyonce or Tyler Swift. Its no contest. If its Psy vs Queen. Then obviously its Queen.

  49. Music lover

    August 15, 2016 at 4:26 am

    Kpop itself isn’t bad at all. In fact, it’s pretty cool that people can dance. The shitty post about it is that people think it’s music. No, no easy in the world it is music. The kpop is all about dancing boys and girls, no music involved. I won’t be surprised if they are actually deaf. The fact that kpop fans are trying to prove that it’s music is pretty funny.
    (I despise majority of pop artists, because they aren’t artists. Sure they are performers, but there’s nothing artistic)

  50. Aye

    August 8, 2016 at 8:20 pm

    Stop defending this bullshit, this whole K-pop is a fucking joke to the music industry, im not saying rihanna or kanye west never composed anything that is stupid at all but these kpop fucks cant be liked. the only good thing about them is the backround track thats it. The lyrics are badly written sang by a bunch of uneducated skinny alien look alike boys, who know nothing about it. You white bitches like kpop cause u think the guys look so cute and etc when in reality you dont fucking know how many chinese or korean ppl i met who said kpop is a disgusting genre because it makes them feel guilty about the way they look. Get fucking educated before you fucking defend something, bitch

  51. BTSFANGIRL

    August 4, 2016 at 5:57 pm

    Clearly not an ARMY. You blew small things into a big proportion! And Jin and Taehyung are bts’s visuals so get the facts right or you may as well not even try to hate on them. I mean if you re going to complain and insult bts at least DO IT PROPERLY!
    No one gives a shit if Jimin is putting you off that’s your problem.
    I’m done with this shitty comment of yours.

  52. Hakeem Elamin

    August 3, 2016 at 5:34 pm

    Why is it when people talk about Americans bad no one is there to back them up. But when Koreans get talked about bad someone is always there to help them. The reason I hate kpop is because of the lack of people that milk it, and the singers you can’t understand. I can only give them credit on they’re dances because they have some badass moves. But I really don’t see the difference between American music and their music. It sounds the same but in a different language. But the thing I hate about kpop fans is that when you say you don’t like kpop as much they throw some random song in your face saying “so you’ll listen to this” but no. Just because you don’t like kpop doesn’t mean you’ll listen to some dumb American music. Sure there are some good kpop singers like EXO and BIG BANG. But for me to listen to them everyday and look for more songs is out for the count. All I’m trying to say is just because kpop is good doesn’t mean it’s the best music in the world. Some say they talk good about there women’s, but Americans do the same aka el debarg: serenading. And Babyface. But please stop trying to judge and force people to like kpop, we don’t do it to you when it comes to American songs. So please can y’all do us a favor.

  53. Samantha Ellis

    July 18, 2016 at 6:10 am

    I reason for hating the genre has nothing to do with any of the above, I simply don`t find the language pleasing on the ears, it`s simply cringe worthy to me but so is death metal screaming in songs which became a trend as well, If the artist sung an english version of their songs I may be able to determine which singers have talent but when not in English they all sound like the same cringe worthy voices , I like some songs sung by Koreans but the songs are in English so I assume it`s just the language that isn`t pleasant to me, not big on french either but love the UkrainianéRussian languages in songs, it`s to each their own

  54. Hanne Stapnes

    July 12, 2016 at 10:42 pm

    Yes we can be a pain in the butt sometimes xD but of course not everyone is like that. I guess I can only talk for myself when I say that to me I don’t really care if you like kpop or not but when you start disrespecting it it’s something else.

  55. Hanne Stapnes

    July 12, 2016 at 10:39 pm

    Well you can hate on jungkook as much as you want but I feel that the whole group distributes just as much. Maybe in one song the maknae line has alot of parts and in another one the rap line and in one Mom sings alot but it changes through every song so yeah just think about that stuff when thinking Jungkook sings too much ^^

  56. Shee Shee

    June 30, 2016 at 9:35 am

    I don’t like any Korean shit. Garbage.

  57. Thalia

    June 27, 2016 at 12:16 am

    Please don’t push all your hate on everything Korean. I, too, can’t relate to Kpop but I do watch their dramas and movies. It’s just the Kpop fans that bothers me all the time. (I’m talking about the immature ones).

    I once danced to Gangnam style, once ate a Korean dish, bought products that are made in Korea, and even admire some great Korean anime artists.

    And like you, I’m a loyal Jpop/anime fan.

  58. Thalia

    June 27, 2016 at 12:02 am

    My country has a massive Kpop phenomenon here until today. I don’t know why I couldn’t blend well with Kpop because, well, it’s not really my thing, along with the American pop scene. And what really stressed me out is that there are people have tried to convert me into the fandom in exchange for my interests just to get along in their peers. I was freaked out that I left their company. That incident happened when I was in high school. And now that I’m working, my coworker (who is a BIG EXO fangirl) also tried me to convert into one, and now I’m afraid to talk to her about her fandoms (which I first tried to get interested but I really can’t).

    Well, I guess I’ll just listen to her.

  59. Alex

    June 23, 2016 at 12:47 pm

    This all seems so bias to me

  60. Jeremiah Youngblood

    June 22, 2016 at 4:23 am

    Omg! Wow, you should end the friendship!

  61. Anonymous

    June 11, 2016 at 7:18 pm

    Eh Ehm
    What i hate the most about kpop haters is that they take their time to actually make an article about their hate for kpop.
    Like seriously, do toy see any articles called ”american music sucks”?
    And im sick that they make an article while they don’t know SHIT about kpop.
    They assume that EVERY kpop idol is the same.
    And honestly, Kpop lyrics suck? Lemme compare a lil bit of the current popular songs…

    BTS – Save me ( Kpop song Published 15th May 2016 )

    I want to breathe, I hate this night
    I want to wake up, I hate this dream
    I’m trapped inside of myself and I’m dead
    Don’t wanna be lonely
    Just wanna be yours

    Why is it so dark where you’re not here
    It’s dangerous how wrecked I am
    Save me because I can’t get a grip on myself

    Listen to my heartbeat
    It calls you whenever it wants to
    Because within this pitch black darkness
    You are shining so brightly

    Give me your hand
    save me save me

    I need your love before
    I fall, fall

    Desiigner – Panda ( American song Published 20th Desember 2015 )

    I got broads in Atlanta
    Twistin’ dope, lean, and the Fanta
    Credit cards and the scammers
    Hittin’ off licks in the bando
    Black X6, Phantom
    White X6 look like a panda
    Goin’ out like I’m Montana
    Hundred killas, hundred hammers
    Black X6, Phantom
    White X6, panda
    Pockets swole, Danny
    Sellin’ bar, candy
    Man I’m the macho like Randy
    The choppa go Oscar for Grammy
    Bitch nigga pull up ya panty
    Hope you killas understand me

    So…

  62. Google

    June 11, 2016 at 5:29 pm

    Koreans scare me

  63. jodieisme

    June 7, 2016 at 2:53 pm

    Put suede on the list and I’ll be on your party, mate..
    Their animal nitrate is off the chart!

  64. Victoria A.

    May 29, 2016 at 11:48 pm

    I like Kpop and am proud to say that. The thing that makes me pissed is how some people over react to the different bands like Bts or seventeen. Like chasing them down the street or something. Just… no.

  65. I like kpop, just not annoying people.

    May 22, 2016 at 1:07 pm

    Everything here… is completely unnecessary. It’s kind of like discussing what water tastes like. Everyone here…. has just lost 5 minutes of time they will never get back. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

  66. arya's listlessnes

    May 7, 2016 at 1:44 am

    Hey oyinkan.I think you misunderstood a few things about BTS. I am 95 liner biased(jimin and v) and I also used to be a bit irritated with how jimin got treated by jk in the beginning.But that’s not the case.And this I can tell cuz I’ve watched way too many videos of theirs and there are many videos in which jimin teased jk too.Same case with all the other members actually.Trust me they get along very well. Atleast for now.
    Coming to the lines..did you listen to their new songs fire,save me and young forever?In that you can notice that all the parts were pretty much equally divided(actually jungkook got lesser lines).Also jimin’s popularity rose during the I need you era for the right reasons(his voice,dance&performances)and not cuz of his abs.The maknae line popularity has equally stabilized pretty much.V is also starring in a drama(He’s always been interested in acting) .So what I’d like to clarify is that all of em are being treated well unlike other kpop groups.
    I know I can read the article and ignore the comments but BTS is kinda getting hate these days,that too for the wrong reasons.I’m happy that you expressed your thoughts.Please don’t hate em .They work really hard(same goes with many other groups too ofc).^_^
    P.S. :If you wanna see jimin being sassy towards jk,check out the video of fire mv behind the scenes.It’s on their channel Bangtan TV.He’s not after him anymore.It’s the other way round now. 😛

  67. oyinkan

    May 5, 2016 at 5:28 am

    i know this is off topic but i am starting to hate bts, bighit has two uniq voices but they never use them they always give jungkook so many parts which annoys me i am sure v and jimin has some talent except from stupid abs and cute face. however, if jungkook is the only one that is talented in the group i am done with bts. maknaes dont do much in kpop group . i think if bighit wants jungkook to be a good visual let him stick to that and stay at the back.
    every stupid cover it always jungkook, v as an amazing voice use him that i why it called singing. nevertheless, jimin used to be my bias but he is not on the list any longer because he always being disrespected by the member mostly that boy that is suppose to be the maknae, seeing jimin hunger for this boy has put me off this is why he is alway disrespected by …….ook. you know him is name is too long.

  68. ikhwan azli

    April 25, 2016 at 11:02 pm

    Actually, I once liked K-Pop, until I found out something terrible. At 2012, an unofficial poll is done at thetoptens.com to determine who will sing at Olympic London 2012. There are some K-Pop idols in the poll, but the winner is Hatsune Miku, a Japanese Vocaloid. A lot of immature K-Pop fans gone wild and started to delete Vocaloid songs at YT via copyright. Luckily, the problem has been solved, but I still can’t stop hating K-Pop. Now, it has become worse. I hate everything that are Korean. K-Drama, Running Man, I hate them all. I’m afraid that I might even hate Korean people in the future.

    I just can’t help it, even though I know it’s all the fans’ fault.

    Now, I just love Japanese Vocaloid songs and anime soundtracks.

  69. Whitney Rooney

    April 16, 2016 at 9:50 pm

    There is no way Kpop can ever compare to all the great genres of music in the world. Just to name a few: The Beatles, Elvis Presley, Frank Sinatra, Bob Dylan, Michael Jackson, George Michael, Elton John, Rod Stewart, Eric Clapton, Phil Collins, Lionel Richie, Prince, Bryan Adams, Bruce Springsteen, Robbie Williams, Mariah Carey, Celine Dion, Whitney Houston, Madonna, Diana Ross, Rihana, Taylor Swift, Beyonce, Lady Gaga, Adele, ABBA, The Carpenters, Queen, The Rolling Stones, U2, Bon Jovi, Nirvana, Metallica, Guns N’ Roses, Bee Gees, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Cold Play and so many others English-singing artists. These Korean clowns are just making a fool of themselves.

  70. timoosterhuis

    April 15, 2016 at 9:52 pm

    K-pop mirrors the worst facets of western music.

    I could counter all of these points (that are actually related to making music and songwriting) with: Listen to Bob Dylan*, I do.

    *Or substitute Dylan with any of the following**: The Velvet Underground, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Leonard Cohen, Iggy Pop & The Stooges, The Kinks, Otis Redding, The Who, Dick Dale & his Deltones, Van Morrison, Cream, The Sonics, Chuck Berry, Jimi Hendrix, Jefferson Airplane, Ray Charles, The Band, Aretha Franklin, Sly & the Family Stone, Frank Zappa & The Mothers of Invention, John Coltrane, Moby Grape, Captain Beefheart, Miles Davis, Robert Johnson, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Black Sabbath, The Ramones, ELO, The Clash, Pink Floyd, Talking Heads, Creedence Clearwater Revival, Mott the Hoople, David Bowie, Elton John, Kate Bush, Roxy Music, Elvis Costello, Dire Straits, Earth Wind & Fire, The Allman Brothers, Jethro Tull, Stevie Wonder, Gang of Four, Television, Marvin Gaye, Patti Smith, Brian Eno, Led Zeppelin, Tom Waits, X-Ray Specs, Talk Talk, The Pretenders, Queen, Sonic Youth, Michael Jackson (I will cop to him being manufactured, though), Orchestral Manouevres in the Dark, U2, Joy Division, New Order, Dexys Midnight Runners, RUN-DMC, Aerosmith (back in the 70’s), R.E.M. Echo & The Bunnymen, The Cure, Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers, The Smiths, The Jam, The Specials, The Sex Pistols (again I’ll cop to them being manufactured) Kraftwerk, Violent Femmes, DEVO, The Pixies, The Stone Roses, Public Enemy, Hüsker Dü, The Church, Dead Kennedys, Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds, The Replacements, The The, Mission of Burma, Young Marble Giants, The Jim Carroll Band, Guns & Roses, Bad Religion, X, Queensrÿche, Van Halen, Minutemen, Half Man Half Biscuit, Motörhead, Killdozer, Pulp, Rage Against the Machine, Beck, Portishead, Blur, The Smashing Pumpkins, De La Soul, New Radicals, Alice in Chains, Radiohead, Deftones, Nirvana, Nine Inch Nails, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Garbage, Nas, Fiona Apple, White Zombie, Cake, Screaming Trees, Supergrass, Neutral Milk Hotel, Semisonic, Jeff Buckley, Eels, Dinosaur Jr, Pantera, Fugazi, The Breeders, The Afghan Whigs, The Flaming Lips, PJ Harvey, Pavement, Guided by Voices, Built to Spill, Yo La Tengo, Massive Attack, Sepultura, 2Pac, The Notorious B.I.G., Manic Street Preachers, Elliott Smith, DJ Shadow, Aphex Twin, Sleater-Kinney, Björk, A Tribe Called Quest, Orbital, Skinny Puppy, Green Day (back in the 90’s, fuck, even their (american) idiot reinvention had a lot more artistic merit than fucking K-pop), Boards of Canada, Plaid, Queens of the Stone Age, Cee Lo Green, Danger Mouse, The Yeah Yeah Yeah’s, Eminem, Outkast, Elbow, Daft Punk, MGMT, The White Stripes, Animal Collective, Yeasayer, The Dodos, LCD Soundsystem, M83, Jay-Z, Bloc Party, The Walkmen, Camera Obscura, Gorillaz, Vampire Weekend, Kaiser Chiefs, Arcade Fire, Franz Ferdinand, Modest Mouse, Wilco, The Avalanches, Lily Allen, The Hives, Deerhunter, Arctic Monkeys, Spoon, Kings of Leon, Los Campesinos!, Bon Iver, The Libertines, Broken Social Scene, The National, Aesop Rock, The Shins, TV on the Radio, Santigold, The Mountain Goats, Röyksopp, Sigur Rós, The Knife, Amy Winehouse, Muse, System of a Down, The Delgados, Ted Leo & the Pharmacists, The Hold Steady, Broadcast, Imogen Heap, Atmosphere, Okkervil River, The Thermals, Future of the Left (fuck yeah), Tech N9ne, Death from Above 1979, The Handsome Family, My Morning Jacket, St. Vincent, Mclusky, Bonnie ‘Prince’ Billy, Iron & Wine, Health, Titus Andronicus, Immortal Technique, Burial, Drive-By Truckers, Regina Spektor, Death Cab for Cutie, Converge, Mark Lanegan, Wolf Parade, Band of Horses, Destroyer, The Strokes, Bright Eyes, The xx, The New Pornographers, Janelle Monáe, Gotye, The Black Keys, Ellie Goulding, fun., Tame Impala, Grimes, Lykke Li, Washed out, The Mynabirds, Macklemore & Ryan Lewis, Adele, The Lumineers, Metric, Lupe Fiasco, The Handsome Furs, Foxygen, The War on Drugs, Childish Gambino, Beach House, Darkside, Sharon van Etten, Cults, Japandroids, Mount Kimbie, Hopsin, Kendrick Lamar, deadmau5, Sia, Kongos, D’Angelo, Sun Kil Moon, Haim. Tyler the Creator, The Future Sound of London, Algiers, First Aid Kit, tUnE-YaRdS, Fucked up, Disclosure, Emma Pollock, Caribou, Ezra Furman, Blossoms, Explosions in the Sky, Low, Deafhaven, Run the Jewels, Alabama Shakes, Courtney Barnett, Sleaford Mods or Father John Misty.

    **I went a bit overboard with the list.

  71. timoosterhuis

    April 15, 2016 at 8:45 pm

    No one has the right to criticize another person for liking something? What are you, a fascist? What’s your beef with free speech? I’ll criticize people for liking k-pop all I want: I think k-pop is shallow, and people who go out of their way to defend it as legitimate good taste, instead of just admitting it’s their guilty pleasure must be pretty shallow too. Or at the very least they don’t appreciate the art of songwriting and making music.

  72. timoosterhuis

    April 15, 2016 at 8:35 pm

    Right on. For the counter-point about lyrics especially they chose some really easy targets. If I didn’t care about lyrics of western music in the first place, why would I be bringing it up then? Idiots.

  73. timoosterhuis

    April 15, 2016 at 8:31 pm

    All fandoms are stupid and annoying and a clear sign that some people only listen to music to belong or feel like they’re a part of something.

  74. timoosterhuis

    April 15, 2016 at 8:27 pm

    Right on. It’s the fans that really make k-pop annoying. The music itself is just incomprehensible. I wouldn’t have an opinion about k-pop, if it wasn’t for the people who understand just as little Korean as I do getting so into it for no reason.

  75. timoosterhuis

    April 15, 2016 at 8:21 pm

    Hating is caring, Karina. Shitty music wouldn’t piss me off, if I didn’t feel passionate about good music.

  76. Patrick

    April 7, 2016 at 8:52 pm

    @Tom Sam. Okay!!! For the record, kpop idols are NOT the only ones that have ‘plastic surgery’…you’re simply accusing kpop idols generally. I wish to highlight the fact that most pop stars internationally have gone through plastic surgery, with ‘Fake interviews, fake faces, fake originality, fake personalities and forced relationships are abound’…I’m an international kpop fan AND I would like to state that I prefer listening to kpop than listening to meaningless English songs (no offence)…mind you, most of us international kpop fans do not understand Korean language, however, we love listening to kpop.. “Why?” you may ask….well!!! personally, I first got hooked with Kpop because I was fascinated with the Korean culture…I also watch korean drama btw….other kpop fans may have their own reasons….the bottom line is “music is an international language, which should be enjoyed by everyone”…common it’s a free world, everyone is entitled to like whichever music they want…and no one has the right to criticize another person for simply liking something….To those of you that hate kpop or kpop fans, you are a bunch of childish, insecure, racist hypocrites!!! Korean pop idols are the most well mannered people i’ve ever seen, not sure about other countries pop idols….

  77. Tem Sam

    April 7, 2016 at 7:05 am

    The rebuttals are not very convincing. Each rebuttal basically says “but Americans do it too”.
    I hate Kpop for exactly the same reason I hate most American pop. However KPop is on another level of insincerity and fakeness. There is a far higher proportion of extreme formulaic plastic surgery, there seems to be a lesser focus on the music and image and presentation > all. Fake interviews, fake faces, fake originality, fake personalities and forced relationships are abound. After I watched an episode of some TV show on Girls’ Generation I just felt like screaming “be a but more genuine!”

  78. fann

    March 21, 2016 at 9:00 am

    childish music?? r u serious? what do u listen 2 then that u consider “not childish”?

  79. The fact that you’re so simple minded and don’t understand how the human brain works, really baffles my mind, and explains why you have made such an idiotic article.

  80. Ashe

    March 17, 2016 at 12:46 am

    Hi babe,
    I don’t particularly hate kpop but I’ve got some problems with their fans here and there. And you can also add to why people hate kpop; their fans.
    Recently, wherever I go to there will also be kpop fans to either point out why kpop is better or why stuff we love is worse. Like seriously? What’s wrong with you? I’ve seen childish Beliebers or Directioners (I’m a Directioner myself) but at least they just fuck off and do their thing, not go around talking over someone or something like some too proud kpop fans. And haters I’ve long before recently encountered are just annoying calling out how gay 1D are or how their cover songs are terrible which is normal to compare them to the original artists, you know what I’m saying?
    And when the fans want I think his way to compete you know where the appropriate stage to get on? The award events.
    Even worse in my place, hell, but I think it’ll suffice here.
    Please some of you stop being a bitch, it’s embarrassing and disgusting.
    Anyway, since I’ve got it this far, might as well add something else.
    But before that lemme tell you this; I used to be an E.L.F, Exo-L myself 🙂 and I pretty much know about kpop industry’s moves because they’re quite famous around my area. So,
    1. Originality:
    I think kpop is great. Their choreography is amazing. That’s called originality, congrats on this one 🙂
    2. Lyrics:
    I think haters you claimed mean that English language usage in the songs is ridiculous. How are you gonna feel if American artists you loathe so much just go ‘Shippeoyo, Shippeoyo’ between those lines in Wrecking Ball for example? Show off for one. The sound of ignorance is the second not far behind. Sure they do Spanish sometimes, but their languages resemble that much in music. It doesn’t poke out like a sore thumb. Maybe if kpop do Japanese it might just sound subtler than that.
    But it’s fun. I like the creativity there.
    3. All the songs sound all the same:
    Because we don’t know what they mean (except the shout of DOCTOR OVERDOSE of course) so all the songs sound pretty much the same. Lol. And when voices in one song change so much, it just confuses or even irritates the audience. I even hate one direction for that myself I prefer them solo. Lol.
    4. Plastic surgery, you said, I’m not against it. But let’s be all honest here, they all look quite similar (the same). Yoona and Yuri’s physiques confused me sometimes. That was me as a fan. Can you imagine others? I don’t know about somebody else, but they remind me of conspiracy theories…They’re pretty, tho, I gotta admit.
    5. Flower boys, you said.
    Let’s get to the point; South Koreas not open about LGBTQ, right, and all they do? Sell the gayness. Hypocrites much?
    Plus the diff between stars and folks over there are disgustingly great. When you go there you’re just gonna question where all those flower people go. Lol.
    6. Manufacturing;
    Lol. It’s a fact! And Americans do too yeah. So what? It’s not even an accusation. It’s deadass accurate! Why did you bother in the first place? Their government is that brilliant tho I like them.
    There’s so much more but it’s kinda outta topic here so.
    There you go. I’m open to come backs tho. Do it. Fight me.

  81. Krystal Hwang

    March 8, 2016 at 10:50 pm

    I love you so much for this article. You’ve really shown the other side of K Pop, the one’s the Haters fail to see. But I seriously doubt that the people who are reading this, until and unless they’re really open minded, will change their opinions so quickly. So all we can do is let the haters hate and we’re just going to have to shake it off.At the end of the day we still love or like K Pop so what the Antis think doesn’t matter.

  82. A

    March 2, 2016 at 2:06 pm

    Okay so the people who are commenting about how they hate K-Pop just because it’s not their taste and it’s because of the fans really? I think hate is too strong for those reasons, and it’s not K-Pop you ‘hate’, it’s the fans, there’s actually a big difference between those two. I hope people don’t take this as rude, I’m just trying to make a point.

  83. Scoutie

    February 9, 2016 at 1:07 am

    I don’t hate kpop and Jpop but I dislike them because I had a bad experience on women who loves these two, They are more likely to ignore you If you aren’t korean or Jap like how I met my polish gf she is so obsess with these two that she always talk about their musics and stuffs and she almost forgot her culture and mine, not only that those who rejected me on my own country has this stereotype ego that when they like kpop & jpop that means they will only stick to their likings, so guys watch out If ever you dislike kpop & jpop like me, Get to know the person you are dating or else things won’t go well. Thanks for reading my comment good article though

  84. Catgirl12345

    January 16, 2016 at 5:59 am

    Hi, I’m from Norway and I love kpop a l, lot. I listen to it every day. There arent many i can talk to about kpop where I live and all the people I know arent interested at all.

    This week we’re gonma make our own dance in PE and i tried to suggest a few songs from my favorite artosts from kpop.
    And their response wasnt that good………..
    I might sound strange talking abput this here, but I just wanted to went my anger at something and writing kinda helps me to do so its better than crying as the big crybaby I am.

    I did cry alone in the locker room after everyone left…. it’s funny how I’m always alone…..

    Anyways I have a hard time to let my feelings through and tjen I stumbled upon this text , though it was published a long time ago…

    Asbi mentioned earlier I don’t have anyone to talk to at all! Not even a friend. I do have some bit theyre all guys and I do have friends who are girls but theu usually dont listen at all (this includes friends of both gender) when im talking about the things i like and I feel don’t belong there.
    That my precense doesn’t mean anything. It kinda makes me want to get into an accident to put them on a test to see how much they care about me…. But I don’t, instead i jist run a scenery in my head i cry a bit inside of me and then add a little more to my stess…
    Yes I am stessed everyday. Maybe everyone is…. but, hey everyone is the main character in their own life.

    I’m not trying to convert anyone, its jist sp frustrating when they dont losten to what youre saying. I’m not a gopd speaker, caise i dont talk much to others i mostly sit in my room in the loving room listening to kpop and pretending that I’m fine.

    I do interact with others in school, at soccer practice, when I play my clarinet in the marching band and when I jabe my clarinet lessons. You probably think that I don’t hvae anything to complain about, but I do.

    Sure I do have my basic and material needs covered. But I still feel that somethings missing, something important.
    True friendship, understanding of one another. That is in my ideal world. It might become like that one day, but not as I am today…..

  85. Move Beyond Manufactured Music

    January 5, 2016 at 3:17 pm

    Every reason you listed also apply to why I don’t like a lot of American music. These songs aren’t about art, creativity, life experiences. They are about corresponding to a formula. So yes, K-Pop, Beyonce, Kanye, Miley Cyrus, I dislike them all.

  86. MusicLover

    December 30, 2015 at 8:13 am

    Thanks for your article. I also fail to understand why people seem to put so much energy into hating kpop when they know very little about it and make all sorts of ignorant comments (eg. They have all done plastic surgery, the music is manufactured, they can’t sing etc etc). It is fine to dislike something, but this determined and focused hate is strange. Why would anyone dedicate their time to bashing a genre of music based on scanty information and bias?
    And I honestly don’t get this whole ‘The music is manufactured’ thing. Actual people wrote and produced the songs; should their creativity be discounted because they are not the performers? And aren’t there singers in other genres of music whose songs are written and produced for them? (Secondly, performance isn’t a skill to be sneezed at; if that was the case, anyone would be able to walk on stage ooze star quality.)
    Furthermore some kpop artists do write and produce songs, but I suppose these avid haters don’t care to know that. Most of these haters do not even take into account cultural or language differences (esp those who criticize kpop lyrics that have been translated into grammatically questionable English as if the lyrics were intentionally written to sound that way) or appreciate the inclusion of English in the songs as a way to reach international audiences.
    I do agree with the issue of slave contracts, overwork, undue restriction and the heavy emphasis on perfection. But this should produce concern for the artists and trainees, not hatred.
    It is a very sad thing indeed to see so much malice being directed at people who work as hard as these artists do, honestly.

  87. Stars Dozz Erms

    December 26, 2015 at 2:25 pm

    recently ,i have been a fan of bigbang . is a bit stupid ,once i did says i never ever wants to be any of kpop fans because most of their fans speaking to my another idols about copyright. because sometime people from another countries tend to have the same ideal of MV but different storyline. As a fan of chinese and kpop here i would like to tell all of u , all of them work hard and please respect them. If u , dont even understand the storyline about what they are expressing then whats the point commenting the mv? if u want people to respect your idols , u guys also must respect them, even the mv looks the same but different storyline. because most of your comments makes more people hate kpop. kpop is awesome but because of u (kpop fans), some people dislike it. so these are my comment toward the (kpop fans). take it of leave it.

    2nd : yes i love english music , but SOME . because most of the english pop is talking about sex , love , money.And what else?? i dont usually follow these crazy english pop stars because they are expensive. act stylish but weirdo thoughts , they dont have the sense of humor when they are in variety show. all they do is to act cool. but mv is like sex. their music is good but if i see their mv is about sex , i will delete it. because is abit stupid, we dont born to have sex with people around us like being so cheap as ( prostitute) showing butts and boobs.
    most of their music doesnt have lyrics just 1 sentence we their boobs and butt show up in the mv. and is kind of boring showing these things over an over again without any dumb meaning. just sex AND SeX?? my thoughts are so this so call english (IDOLS) are sex idiots?? sex thoughts. come on do it in the porn website. why do it in front of so MANY PEOPLe?? is like so stupid.

    3rd i love music is because of style and real attitudes toward their fan . although, yes most of kpop stars are plastic surgery. but what to do?? what done is done . u cant just put back the same like they used to be. at kpop mv it doesnt have any sex minded, even they do in their own lyrics or dances. but at least is good when u see how they treat their fans. i love how kpop or chinese does works as i can sense how these idols love their fans. but i not sure about these english pop becuz i dont follow much. because most of their fan is even worst then the kpop fans. like when a english pop comes to do a cross over music to another country like (chinese taiwan). the music is good but their fans, is being so racist. i totally piss of with their dumb comment.

    4th if korea idols come to do a cross over music to another country . again (chinese taiwan) most of their fans are being supportive and not being so racist. this is why asia music in asia are world top best no matter chinese , kpop and jpop they are awesome as for english to me is so so and still so so.

  88. gabriel

    December 3, 2015 at 8:10 pm

    Sorry for my english, but this article only talk about Apop (American pop) against Kpop. how about people who don’t pop as a whole, and give more attention to kpop because that is the subject and that is what is popular. when u compare kpop to something like justin bieber. Sure both is just as useless as each other. But when u compare to someone like Amy whinehouse or lady gaga, there is no challange.

    pop is always some business man, take a good idea make more of it and put everywhere in the market. More of the same and more of the same. there is no adding to the quality of the music. Yes u are right. people copy or are influenced and sample. but when Jimi hendrix play bob dylan song …… something new come out from it. There is more value.

    kpop is and that particular style is famous and popular, why? sorry people. but human now is just spoilt and fake and only know about things. New iphone, new dress, new make up and new hair. find big company and get job, wear suit and make more money, why? to buy more things and become more plastic and everyone wants that same thing. same nose, same hair, same dress. No more self idea. no more self creation. why? ewwww….. weird, funny, strange. only know how to materialist. people dunno how to think anymore. so the word repeat, it’s fun. the beat repeat, it’s nice and cool.

    Pop culture, is bad influence. because reason is make money and chasing cool. not good to make a god of something who is not a god. make u more shallow, more the same and more boring. Korean and asia have a deep culture. older then Jesus. but the one that is popular is the girls who cut their face and push their backside at man, pretend pretend to show a bit of boob and middle part. so stupid.

  89. mina giles

    November 16, 2015 at 9:48 pm

    hi my name is mina , I am American Guyanese but I like kpop since I was 12 .. I know I can not help listen to kpop because I am addict to it . I just think I went over board with this I love kpop and American music but it hard for me to heard talking badly about my favorite group. For example, got7, exo

  90. Aur

    October 25, 2015 at 10:33 pm

    There is more to Korean music than just K-pop. Pop music worldwide is a corporate manufactured product therefore has no cultural value. What about other genres of Korean music? You never hear about them because of the aggressive corporate marketing to expand K-pop to the masses. Why everything Korea-related has to be overshadowed by K-pop?

  91. Asdfghjkl

    October 18, 2015 at 2:27 am

    OMG BEST COMMENT EVER XD

  92. paijo

    September 8, 2015 at 5:40 pm

    don’t give a critic to stupid people because they will hate you. aren’t k-pop fans hate k-pop critical? so, you will have a conclusion….

  93. Nicholas ミシェル (@Official_VKei)

    August 19, 2015 at 12:50 pm

    Hahaha the first point I completely agree bcuz majority K-pop artist aren’t original at all.The point that actually I hate about is majority k-pop artitst keep saying that origin of hip-hop,emo,scene,grunge,gothic lolita and etc are origin from korea.and sometime I totally pissed off with die hard fan,that k-pop music scenery way better than others.keep wake-ups,k-pop fan,there’s no originality from it,majority music,fashion,style and subculture are come from others part of the world not to mentioned american but it does too if you guys understand what I’m trying to point out.

  94. jethyu

    August 11, 2015 at 9:41 pm

    You forgot the word Asian and UGLY

  95. sir NIILO

    August 5, 2015 at 11:21 am

    Gotta say, I still agree with the 7 reasons for hating K-pop. There is just something about it that is sooooooooooo fake – can’t put my finger on it. That being said, I can tolerate a few solo K-pop singers, but boy-bands or girl-bands simply turn me off altogether. Whoever created the Blunder Girls needs a brain scan. I say close down the Sausage-machine factories making sausage K-pop idols. J-POP RULES!!!!!!!

    Now, I want to read your hate-replies.

  96. Jason

    August 4, 2015 at 3:13 pm

    Honestly. You are also generalizing American Music. Just like K-Pop, there are artists in America that aren’t a negative influence. Most of them are just not popular and they just sink. In the meantime all of the rubbish rises to the top in the American Music Industry. For instance, many indie songs are very deep and have good meaning. They also are catchy. And PEOPLE WHO DON’T KNOW KOREAN CAN ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY’RE SAYING WITHOUT THE HELP OF LYRICS. Here are plenty of examples of good music in America/Europe/Australia: http://www.youtube.com/c/primitivemelodies

  97. Max

    July 7, 2015 at 6:20 am

    I know. It makes them want to fetishize and stereotype East Asians.

  98. Sarah

    June 28, 2015 at 9:42 am

    Honestly another reason I’ve heard is that kpop singers put random english words into their songs. Here I am thinking: well if these people actually took the time to read the lyrics then they would understand WHY THE WORD IS THERE. Jeez people like them piss me off so much like is that really the only thing you pay attention to? And of course its gonna sound like random english words in there CAUSE THEY’RE SINGING IN KOREAN SO U WOULDN’T UNDERSTAND. Plus there isn’t a word for every single thing in korean or in any language in general so ya. Now I’m a kpop fan but that doesn’t mean that I don’t listen to people like Justin Timberlake or Lana Del Ray or Bruno Mars and so on. Why can’t people just embrace music in general. Seriously who gives a crap about what these idols do to their faces cause you know what plenty of american singers had plastic surgery before too. And PUH-LEA-ZE most one d fans are NASTY just saying. And you can’t group a whole fandom based on what a few crazy people did in it. Its like saying oh because one cop did something stupid every cop automatically becomes stupid. And you might say I’m a hypocrite because I just said that most one d fans are nasty, but see how I said MOST NOT ALL, I didn’t asum that the whole one d fandom is nasty. And you, yourself know it too. I’m not saying kpop fans are angels because seriously if theres one psychotic fan who did something doesn’t mean that we’re all gonna do the same thing as her/him.

  99. Genevieve Tay

    June 26, 2015 at 8:55 pm

    I used to hate kpop too,I don’t know why but I hated everything about Korea when I was younger.I started loving it until Big Bang came for the 2015 countdown in Singapore then I started to remember those things I used to say about them for a long time ago.I started to regret and took back my words.Then now whenever I see something about Big Bang or Koreans I would watch it.But most of my friends didn’t liked kpop as they think that they have no talent and ugly.They prefer songs from Taylor Swift and said Taylor’s songs could describe she and her boyfriend,as if there is no love songs in Korea.Fortunately I still have two friends that love Big Bang and I can talk about them with those two friends.

  100. Hlaunt

    June 24, 2015 at 3:02 am

    The have toned it down today, but before, Kpop used to copy Visual Kei looks (Visual Kei, japanese branch of indies rock with highly stylized androgynous looks).

    Now they have adopted a more Unitedstatesian appearance with women looking sexy and men looking muscular and aggressive.

  101. Zach

    June 19, 2015 at 1:59 am

    And u are immature because u like childish music

  102. Nara Medusa

    June 7, 2015 at 11:09 pm

    i don’t hate kpop, i hate most of the kpop fans. they ain’t chill enough. i just can’t stand many of them. There are a sprinkle cool ones though. i used to hate kpop, i made fun of my friend who liked Shinee and whose fandom is called something like Towel, but then things took a turn and i grew to like Shinee after watching hello baby. Then after my teenage years im just neutral with kpop. I still prefer european and american music than kpop anyway. there’s something about kpop which just turns me off after knowing the fans. but to each his own. I still listen to k-indie bands and 2ne1.

    ahh, and the classic statement by a kpop fanatic who hates western music. bloody hell, lol.

  103. Greta

    June 2, 2015 at 11:43 pm

    There are more reasons as to why a person might dislike Kpop. Like, me for instance: I can’t stand Kpop because I can’t stand pop music in general. Whether it’s Kpop/Jpop/American Pop, pretty much pop music from anywhere is disgusting. It’s meant to just be easy-listening, not something of great quality. I do, however, like a lot of Korean indie and rock bands. For some reason those aren’t as well known among English speakers, though.

  104. Sᴀᴛᴀɴ ɪs ᴋᴀᴡᴀɪɪ

    May 23, 2015 at 5:04 am

    It depends, what are YOU into (what genre) then I can give you something.

  105. Lily

    May 22, 2015 at 4:28 am

    I like k-pop but the part about american music is totally biased. And comparing Rhianna and Beyonce to Tablo? That isn’t even in the same genre! You should have used Eminem instead. And pulling those verses from Kanye wasn’t fair either, those aren’t the only songs he made. He had more meaningful lyrics, especially “Jesus walks” which got him recognition in the first place. Overall, k-pop is nice. But, this post wasn’t taking a fair perspective on why people may dislike it.

  106. ....

    May 14, 2015 at 6:53 pm

    The term in music is not referred to as a chorus but that’s in a song. People such as Lady Gaga, Taylor Swift and Katy Perry who are regarded as pop stars are also known for playing instruments right. Pharrel, Meghan Trainor, Timberland (who’s producing songs for the HIT show Empire) produce/compose for other artist as well as their own songs. Many American artists don’t just turn up to auditions, they travel around the country SEARCHING for people to work with them, they are lucky just to be looked at by someone. 1dog is trying to say that Americans are more diverse, no one can deny that is not true. Modern music did come from the blacks, in times of slavery, it’s still regarded American. Look how many American bands play instruments.
    Lovelikewhitney, keep your knickers on.

  107. abc

    May 10, 2015 at 3:56 pm

    Can’t put my finger on it but they just don’t feel genuine for whatever reason…. maybe someone can change my mind by posting some genuinely mind blowing works of kpop, because so far I haven’t seen any.

  108. Meilo

    April 27, 2015 at 2:39 pm

    That’s pretty much my beef with K-pop as well… As I read your post I just kept nodding and nodding. I kinda dislike pop music in general too, to be honest. I do, however, find that there are certain K-pop artists or songs I take a mild to moderate liking to. “Gagnam Style” by Psy is a huge guilty pleasure of mine, I’ve found myself growing quite fond of Exo due to the influence of my K-pop fan friend….. Just stuff like that. I always try to keep an open mind, But I dislike it for the most part in the same way that I dislike most American pop music. When I think of my values when considering music, I think of creativity and daringness and soul and quirkiness and a willingness to take artistic risks, as well as a willingness to be different or unsual. Unfortunately, I don’t really percieve that in K-pop except for a tiny bit here and there in tiny specks, or if I’m lucky a morsel. That’s pretty much the same consistency as American pop for me. There’s just not much that speaks to me in K-pop, and that’s pretty much why I just can’t bring myself to like it as a genre. I do respect it, though, and I think it’s fascinating to have this kind of a window into another culture. All the flaws that K-pop and American pop share actually give me kind of an interesting connection to it, strangely enough! In the meantime, I think I’ll just continue loving Sigur Ros, Elsiane, Fleet Foxes, Bjork, and When Saints Go Machine. There’s too little time on Earth to worry about stuff we don’t like. 😉

  109. I am not hater

    April 21, 2015 at 3:55 pm

    I hate them because they are too double standard…its like its very important to be perfect… I dunno what the hell is wrong for being ugly…almost all of them, the singers need to undergo a knife…adele, its ok being a fat girl, ed sheeran its ok to be himself even hes not that handsome, christina perri, colbie callait they are far from imperfection because we are just human… Everyone is beautiful the way it is but kpopers think they vice versa… I dont blame them for their genetics i just need them to be real… If u wanna compare with american or europe singers be fair, because they i can see u mentioned some big names who really undergo a knife but as i mentioned there are also singer who really talented because u will listen to their songs till u age for 90, its quite rare if u by the age of at least 56 still listen to kpop..might be one in a million.. they will be in the industry about 10 years as long as they dont have grey hair…ooo forget to mention, celine dion another singer who really stands on her talent, michael learns to rock and many more. I used to be a fan of kpop then i realized none of them are real, they are not trying to be themselves… That is why korean among highest suicidal case in the world…peace yo…

  110. Anonymous

    April 16, 2015 at 4:37 am

    I don’t like k-pop music. It just isn’t my taste. Its existence never even bothered me until a female friend of mine got really into it and she just can’t shut up about it. Thats annoying as hell, and she keeps spreading bullshit about it and how “they all look so good” (honestly, they all look the same thanks to plastic surgery and make-up, but she swears they don’t, really).

    Now, what I really wanted to say is that I think this whole article is full of crap. Because writing an article about why people pointing out social wrongs are actually wrong, and then only defending the own taste with statements like “Well, America also sucks” is simply retarded.

  111. lovelikewhitney

    March 23, 2015 at 9:00 am

    You have too many points in your argument, so they’re responded to in a numbered fashion:

    1.) Repetition is a part of music (that phrase you’re looking for is a chorus, btw). But the point she’s making is that people don’t care when American artists are overly repetitive but make a HUGE deal about it when it’s a K-pop artist (double standards).

    2.) American genres are not original. A lot of today’s popular music genres were taken from black and hispanic culture and then popularized. None of it is “original” in that sense.

    3.) Groups are put together, if that’s what you mean by “manufactured” but the persona of the person in the media is monitored by a PR team regardless of nationality, as the author brought out. However, an audition is an audition is an audition. Katy Perry knocked on a producer’s door and sang for him to get her record deal. That’s an audition. And some k-pop stars get turned down and have to “run all over the place” to audition for other companies. For example, Wendy from Red Velvet auditioned for and was turned down by CUBE entertainment but later got signed to SM Entertainment. Those people “looking for an idol” are record companies. Same people that in America would be looking for a “pop star” or “singer”.

    4.) Jung Yong Hwa from CNBLUE wrote lyrics for, composed and produced the majority of his 10 track solo album. Jonghyun from SHINee wrote lyrics for and helped compose 7 of their tracks for the “Misconceptions of Us” album and wrote ALL of the lyrics and helped compose 5 of the songs for his 8 track solo album, in addition to other songs he has written. IU has written songs for herself. You get the point…there are clearly plenty of artists who “contribute” to their music just like there are American artists who don’t. There was once a petition to change the US’s national anthem to “Party in the USA” by Miley Cyrus. She didn’t write that song, Jessie J primarily did. Beyonce’s newest album had something like 18 writers on it. As far as instruments go: Red Velvet’s Wendy-guitar and flute, IU-guitar, SHINee’s Taemin-piano, SuJu M’s Henry-piano and violin, 3 members of After School play the piano, 2 play the guitar and 1 of them can play both aforementioned instruments as well as flute, drums, bass and cello, CNBlue is a band, so they all play instruments (same with Royal Pirates)….do I really need to go on?

    5.) “not all people there look the same”…wow, that was super racist. And tbh, name one popular asian celebrity. We don’t really have one. We barely have hispanic celebrities. The majority of American celebrities, especially pop stars, are white girls (i.e. Taylor Swift, Katy Perry, Meghan Trainor, Lady Gaga, Miley Cyrus, Ariana Grande, etc…). Not all k-pop idols are Korean. For example, F(x)’s Amber is Taiwanese, Victoria is Chinese, Krystal and her sister, Jessica (from SNSD), are Korean-American, Henry from SuJu M is Canadian, Jay Park is Korean-American…etc.

    No one is a puppet. They chose to be singers and that is the route you have to take, just like the majority of American singers have to go the route of getting a record contract with a big record company.

    So you see, it’s no fun being biased 🙂 Especially when it’s clear you haven’t done any research while calling someone else biased, but glad you respect people with your condescending opinion.

  112. lovelikewhitney

    March 23, 2015 at 8:16 am

    That’s not at all like the stereotype that anyone who’s into some or all of an asian culture is a “nerd” or an “otaku” and is “completely obssessed/wishes they were [insert race here]”, right? We all “hate American music” and are “socially awkward”?

    Yeah, that’s totally all fans of k-pop. You’re making a stereotype about all fans while complaining about the supposed stereotype that they impose on you. The irony is overwhelming.

  113. lovelikewhitney

    March 23, 2015 at 8:13 am

    F(x) technically is manufactured. I think what the author was trying to say was people don’t like them because companies put groups together. F(x) was put together by SM Entertainment.

    They are, however, fantastic and people should check them out 🙂

  114. lovelikewhitney

    March 23, 2015 at 8:12 am

    Beliebers & 1 Directioners are worse fandoms than any k-pop fandom I’ve stumbled across, tbh…

  115. Aprial Sykes Brown

    March 16, 2015 at 11:37 am

    I love Kpop, but I’m not going to convince others they should like it. The one thing I hate is people sticking nose up at me because I like it. But I’m the type to listen to what ever appeals to me. Some Kpop maybe done over from someone else’s but sometimes others may sing it better. I think Onew does a wonderful job at singing BeeGee songs, and I like the BeeGee’s.

  116. Krazycore

    March 12, 2015 at 2:30 pm

    K-pop… I remember back in the days, my friends started to listen to them, and watch them on the television. In classrooms, it was almost like a trend that you have to have a favorite K-pop star or stars to bust out in conversations. Classmates performed choreographed dance moves and lipsyncs of popular K-pop songs to earn the fame among students at the talent shows. Well, I have hated it throughout all my life. I have read your article, and, despite the fact that it was a enjoyable piece of writing, I would like to point out comparing K-pop stars to Western pop stars doesn’t much explain the problems that we are facing in Korean music industry. Even though their music is not even near my taste of music, who am I to judge their songs? Their songs are composed by award-winning vast-experienced songwriters and composers that the corporation gave billions of wons to manufacture. I know not every K-Pop songs are composed by designated composers; however, it is very questionable whenever the singers name appear after written-bys. Those music industry corporations are extremely tactical and genius on their marketing that most of the population in Korea never questioned outside of the box, but embraces it by saying K-pop is the best. Yes, the fans. It is quite predictable that teens take up majority of them; however, what people do not often aware is that dudes in their mid 30s or 40s also take up majority of the fans. K-pop stars are young, pretty, cute, beautiful, sporty, well-mannered by trend, that people often call them idols. The one thing that music industry doesn’t want you to know is they are leading the trend. They teach their idols, cash-cows, on how to be well-mannered, including what kinds of words do they have to use in certain situations, or how to act cute or cool, and such. Whether they had plastic surgery or not, they have to be above certain limits to be one of the stars in the industry, and even those corporation do the favor. I am not saying that body modifications or plastic surgeries are bad; however, it saddens me to see all those K-pop star wannabe youngsters or just general people thinking you have to be the byproduct of the industry in order to be an artist. Many of the youths are fantasizing to be a glamorous star here in Korea. There were many cases, but they give up studies and start working hard as waiters, clerks, and even prostitutes, in young age and when they have the money they spend on plastic surgeries, and treatments on their bodies and faces. It is very competitive and hard to be an idol in Korea, and most of them fails, and when they fail they work as bartenders, or remain in their previous jobs including “prostitutes” As you stated, this is not happening only in Korea, but, as where more than 70% of the music is K-pop or pop, I truly think that it is incomparable to any other countries, and plus, there are only few major companies holding the industry, so, as the competitions get intense, the requirements to be a musician get ridiculously strict, and I am talking about becoming an artist. This leads to my second issue, variety. Oh wait, before I get into that I also want to point out that those fans in their 30s or 40s, honestly, don’t care about the music, they just wanna see those pretty faces and fresh meats dangling up and down when they shake, or fantasize and imagine the idols go down on them. I have lived in Korea for 30 years, and I found that those music listeners, so-called fans, don’t have any interest in any other music, but the k-Pops. Everywhere I go in Korea, I hear the K-pop music. I hear them in Supermarkets, Convenient Stores, Department Stores, Restaurants, Bars, Malls, Amusement Parks, even in the public transportation they show K-pop music videos and charts. It is brainwashing. People might not realize what they are listening to; however, they will start to humming the catchy tunes of the songs, and soon or later, they will be listening to them. I think this happens because there is almost no VARIETY in music when it comes to genre. K-pop industry has been on the media for so long. They have the power to control the whole culture, and, as I mentioned above, the competitions between the major labels make it worse. A few years ago, there was a indie musician who died from malnutrition. Music pursuiters like him can be nothing but a victim. There is punk There is metal. There is Jazz in Korea, but they cannot be the part of Korean culture unless it is popish. This has been quite a long writing, and my lunch time was over a while ago, so let me conclude my babbles: Interesting article, I didn’t have time to advise, so sorry for my poor structures in the writing. I wish to continue on the materialism, and how the K-pop culture encourages, but maybe in some other time. And lastly, if someone wants to be a musician or star? my advice is that do not find your dream in Korea. Learn English, go abroad and be a fabulous star.

  117. Taylor

    March 2, 2015 at 5:24 pm

    Yea cause beliebers are such “bae’s” seriously fan girls should be non annoying like them

  118. Lyn

    February 24, 2015 at 10:28 am

    The reasons that you presented is not substantial. And why are you comparing them to the likes of Beyonce or Kanye. They’re all different.

  119. Sun Day

    February 7, 2015 at 9:03 pm

    I’m scrolling through the comments and I feel like I’m in the exact opposite situation. I don’t like talking about Kpop to other people because I’m afraid people will think I’m weird even though I really love it. The same goes for me talking about anime. I have anxiety over how people will judge me if I get hyped over my favorite band or anime unless there is also someone else who enjoys similar interests.

  120. 1dogissky .

    February 2, 2015 at 2:24 am

    I see this is your opinion. You seem pretty biased, especially for number two, repetition is a part of a music, they even have terms for it. Since America is home to most music genres it takes away the originality from K-pop. Most K-pop singers are manufactured, because more people in America have to run around looking for a record deal rather then have an audition for people looking for an ‘idol’. K-pop singers are less likely to contribute to a song, and, if so, it’s one line about how their heart stops beating when they see their crush. Many American artist play instruments, produce and/or write songs these include Lady Gaga, Timberland, Meghan Trainor and Nasri. America is full of diversity and not all people there look the same. Meghan Trainor’s debut song was bigger then any K-pop single (even PSY’s), and she started out recording in her room and entering writing competitions, not being a puppet for a company. So you see, it’s no fun being biased, but I respect you.

  121. May

    January 29, 2015 at 3:10 am

    Call me old school, but I just like Jpop and Jrock better. I just cant get into the whole trendy kpop thing it just doesnt suit me.

  122. Vay Audrey

    January 26, 2015 at 7:53 pm

    agree with u. I hate my friends who said if they don’t like kpop songs because of they don’t know the language. but, actually in English lesson, their score is bad. I hate my friends who do discrimination for people who like kpop.

  123. Rheanna Henry

    January 10, 2015 at 7:18 pm

    i agree in some cases. Some of the kpop people actually can’t sing. it maybe the miss heard lyrics that turns me off for their songs. but i must say some of the miss heard lyrics is funny and some is kind of gross.

    i don’t fully agree because i do kind of like kpop but it is the type of song and if they can actually sing or not.

    Also a lot of the guys look gay even though they may not be. there is one thing that bugs me the most. they guys touch each other up and kiss for the fans and then some of the fans think things that is not true.

    don’t get me wrong i have no problems with gay people i even know some but the way that they make fans think that they are is really annoying.

  124. kpoplover

    January 7, 2015 at 7:45 am

    If people hate kpop, I dont knw why people bother to learn about it n listen to their songs n put bad comments on it.. I just dont get it!! Why bother to even listen to their music if you dont like them? But haters r gonna hate.. I just throw out all the reasons to hate them n think about the reasons to luv them.. <3

  125. Andrew

    January 2, 2015 at 8:54 am

    You mentioned Tablo in #2- Lyrics.
    He does have smart and poetic lyrics. But guess what. He’s not K-pop. Nor does he associate Epik High and himself with it.

  126. jinhwan

    January 2, 2015 at 5:01 am

    I love Kpop….it’s like my life. BUT sometimes the other fans even get on my nerves. They just go crazy and super defensive which makes me think no wonder none kpop fans hate on us. Alot of fans try to force others into liking what they like. i dont think that works, you should let them get into it naturally. Kpop haters should calm down a bit too. If you dont enjoy it, then let it be. Don’t hate on every single little detail, just to put us down.

  127. Anonymous

    December 2, 2014 at 9:18 pm

    Why are you guys wasting your time here? Go listen to your own type of music since kpop isn’t “your taste”.

  128. Mia

    November 7, 2014 at 1:26 pm

    I honestly have no interest in Kpop. I hate how fans of Kpop, or any fan of Asian pop culture (such as Anime, Korean tv, etc.) and stereotypes that we Americans only listen to Justin Bieber, One Direction and all the other terrible crap and only like to watvh MTV. How come no fan actually think that we like 80s pop music or actually watch good quality shows and movie.

  129. Torie

    October 20, 2014 at 8:52 pm

    People are gonna have their own opinion and that’s fine. It’s good that everyone is different. You ask me though and i’ll say it was love at first listen with kpop. I’m versatile like that , so you can give me rock, country, R&B, Jpop, American Pop, Metal, etc and chances are that i’ll like it (and I do). Music is a wonderful thing. Kpop is great too, but if you don’t like it, then that’s ok, I respect your opinion and tastes. I’m gonna go listen to big bang now hehehe

  130. Farra

    October 4, 2014 at 10:03 pm

    I like this argument and actually alot of people hate kpop just because its not their kind of music but that doesnt make it okay for them to post it in the comments or talk shit about kpop artists because as we all know , we r all different ! different language different sense of style so its actually immature if u hate them for being them ! okay , i know tons of people who HATE kpop because of PLASTIC SURGERY , i mean every artist are bound to do it , its just the matter of if u can see it or not , another argument is about guys looking FEMININE and GAY in pics, i mean that is CUTE ! They are actually really manly in real life or maybe they are just cute and that’s okay.
    ANOTHER reason is US KPOP FANS ARE ANNOYING because we overreact when we see our fav idol or group on stage. EH ? Hello ?? Don’t tell me u never screamed or get excited when u see ur fav american singer like Justin Bieber or One Direction .
    I am a huge kpop lover:) sooo , yeah

  131. CC A

    September 30, 2014 at 2:08 pm

    I honestly feel like K-Pop has made me a happier person. I wouldn’t want to go back. American music doesn’t suffice anymore. I love everything about K-Pop! I don’t understand the language yet, but I feel the music. It’s really an unexplainable feeling when I listen to K-Pop. K-Pop is such a beautiful and unique genre of music. I could care less what other people think. If it makes you happy, it can’t be that bad. I will continue my love affair with K-Pop because I feel like it’s the best for me.

  132. miki

    September 19, 2014 at 12:35 am

    well, you can love kpop without being involved with the fandom actually. its your own choice and nobody will actually force you to be in any fandom. so i dont think you should generalize the fans of kpop because honestly, even though i like SHINee, i don’t mix with the fandom 🙂 because 6 years of knowing the fans, i know better than to get involved in it myself ^^

  133. Kristinabomb

    September 18, 2014 at 8:32 am

    I’m just going to start telling people “that’s fine, my bias is prettier than you anyways”. And it will probably be true.

    On a more serious note, it seriously bothers me that people don’t take the time to try and figure out WHY something might be the way that it is instead of instantaneously bestowing their hatred upon it. If more people took two seconds to think about the fact that there are other cultures besides for their own, we’d be a better planet.

  134. YannyTello

    September 18, 2014 at 2:57 am

    That is why I don’t try converting anybody. I don’t waste my time. I like kpop and I simply like it. If anyone has a problem with what i like I don’t need to hang out with them. As long as we respect eachother’s tastes, everything is fine. I don’t have anyone in my family or around me that likes the same things that i like, and many of the reasons for not liking kpop are listed here, but they respect my taste and don’t give me a hard time for it. My mom has watched some of it with me and she does recognize that they sing well and put up good performances but as a hispanic they can’t understand or get used to the over grooming or for the girls it seems they all do similar movements. Overall my mom can seat through it and doesn’t hate it, but doesn’t love it either.

  135. ANDYYANG93

    September 18, 2014 at 2:45 am

    Nearing it down to 7 reasons why people hate Kpop, I quite agree.

    Overall if I were to overlook what you wrote the main focus is the cultural difference between western and eastern.

    Until some people take time to study the culture itself, I assure that their view of Kpop would change.

    P.s – I was wondering are you a YG FAN? You mostly posted YG MV. 🙂

  136. guest

    September 6, 2014 at 7:11 am

    I hate kpoop

  137. sonezukiee

    August 22, 2014 at 1:13 am

    hi ! i agree to every word of your article, since i myself have encountered ignorant kpop haters [even got involved in a fight] bcoz some arguments they make just get into my nerves. thank you for outlining every single thing about kpop and its reality 🙂 haters out there should actually try and learn before they judge ! a true blue kpop here ♥ kpop yeongweonhi ♥

  138. ylice

    August 22, 2014 at 12:46 am

    Hi and thanks for the article,
    I love k-pop for many reasons one of those reasons are the lyrics and the visually appealing mv’s and live concerts.
    But many k-pop haters have one very strong argument that is hard to deny: k-pop fans. Majority of us fans are those who just listen to music and maybe click thumps up on tube or whatever but the minority of us give the bad image for the rest of the world.
    1: They are too easy to provoke. Just go to a site or tube channel and just troll a bit and you get 666 messages saying all kind of s–t about you on a personal level. It seem that trollers from US are kind of a specialists on this. Hate provokes more hate and at the end they look just plain stupid.
    2: They even hate each other. And this is only sad. We/they form a group of fans and supporters around the groups or artist that they love. But when it comes to other group’s fans the things starts to get ridiculous. The best (or worst) example is SONEs vs. Blackjacks. So what do people think of us when they go and check out the comments on 2NE1’s MV Come back home? Well… we all know what the “outsiders” may think.
    3: No-one seems to be interested of starting a civilized discussion on anything. Not on culture, not on the way the things are going or anything like that. Your article is a very good start for this kind of conversations and I’d love to read more articles like this in the future.

    ps. Thanks for mentioning Kalevala. I’m from Finland 😉

  139. takasar1

    August 18, 2014 at 8:32 am

    oh lord…

  140. Alexdhamp

    August 17, 2014 at 12:32 pm

    That isn’t exclusive to just the K-pop fandom, though. Ugh…I remember Backstreet Boys and N’sync fangirls…even worse, my little sis was one of them… >.<

  141. magicalunicorn

    August 12, 2014 at 2:24 am

    yeah.. there are a lot of immature fans out there lol which gives kpop a bad aura to be honest

  142. magicalunicorn

    August 12, 2014 at 2:23 am

    lol actually we should not just respond to them , let them bash, they really won’t mind what we have to say because usually they are fixated of certain common genres (specially western music lol coz of bandwagon effects lol )so no point in arguing with them lol XD

  143. soratothamax

    August 9, 2014 at 1:41 am

    There are some artists in Korea who are not manufactured, like J-Min, f(x), and 2ne1. Just like there are many rip-offs and generic artists in the states, there are many in Korea. I feel Ariana Grande is a rip-off artist. She sings everybody else’s songs when I heard her album. And she’s designed to follow Disney Channel’s place. In fact, all Disney Channel artists are manufactured. You already know when someone is about to have a record label. Even Britney Spears was on Disney’s Mickey Mouse Club and so was Justin Timberlake. American pop music was REALLY manufactured in the late 90s.

    I think it’s just that these speak a language Americans understand, so the world ignores the fact that nothing they sing is original, and neither obviously have not artistic hand in their own music. Ariana Grande is a Nickelodeon gimmick.

  144. soratothamax

    August 9, 2014 at 1:38 am

    You have a right to dislike K-pop. I listen to music all around the world. When I mention Tarkan, my friends don’t understand what I’m saying. But keep in mind, there are many different types of genres in Korea besides POP music. J-Min is one of those artists.

    K-pop lovers associate Korean music with pop. I don’t like Iggy Azalea, and I think she sucks as a rapper and her lyrics are generic for a female rapper. But you should hear THAT debate…

  145. soratothamax

    August 9, 2014 at 1:35 am

    Michael Jackson bought the Beatles “Come Together” and made a music video. And? Cheetah Girls took I5’s song “Cinderella” so did the group Play. Whitney Houston re-made “I’m Every Woman”. Selena re-sang the song “Last Dance”. The Jacksons re-sang “Doctor My eyes”, “Ain’t no Sunshine”, and “Rockin Robin”.

    People need to shut down when they talk about singers having “original” content. American artists take each other’s stuff all the time, it’s just hard to prove because they either take it decades after an artist has lost fame or decades after a person has passed away.

  146. Rawrsaurus

    August 7, 2014 at 2:16 pm

    Same here. I hate kpop mostly because it’s not my thing and I only got to this page because a kpop friend was trying to convert me.
    I also don’t embrace american music like it’s the best thing. I just like what I like.
    I only find kpop fans annoying when they are trying to shove it down my throat. And let me tell you, IT IS NOT WORKING. I AM NEVER CONVERTING. You can’t make me and I wish some people understand that.

    And it’s not like I didn’t try to get into kpop thing. I did. THREE TIMES. and it failed all three times. so yea.

  147. Rawrsaurus

    August 7, 2014 at 2:13 pm

    As someone who doesn’t like kpop, this list of why people hate kpop is not quite mine except for plastic surgery and kpop is manufactured.

    I watched the video and I still think plastic surgery or reformative surgery isn’t all that great. I don’t understand why people can’t just value the voice of the singer itself because isn’t that what matters? The music? The voice? I know it sounds idealistic but that’s how I like my music. I don’t really care how an artist look like. He can be butt ugly but if his singing can make me cry, I’ll love him.

    And yes, I don’t like that kpop is manufactured. I am not saying that American music isn’t manufactured but at least, there is still some expression from the artist themselves. I feel like in the kpop industry, the artists are slaves to the companies and I do not support that.

    But the main reason why I don’t like kpop is because it’s not my thing at all. I just don’t like the style of the music and how it is presented. And that’s just my personal opinion. Kpop is just not my thing. That’s all.

  148. Russ

    August 7, 2014 at 7:35 am

    Love KPop. It’s the Kfans who don’t know how to act and mistreat the idols that I can’t stand. They have no clue what they have and they are barbaric in their treatment of them. Now the same could be said of paparazzi over here, but this lil aholes take it to a whole new level.

  149. Minrin

    August 6, 2014 at 9:27 pm

    Please do not generalize the fans of K-pop. I admit that K-pop fans have a different way of expressing support and love for their favorite groups. Moreover, the different fandoms have distinct qualities. Some fandoms are quite nice if you dig further.

  150. alex

    August 6, 2014 at 4:53 pm

    i hate kpop not because of any of the things you’ve mentioned. it’s just not my kind of music. but i don’t embrace the american artists you mentioned as well. i don’t hate kpop enough to even give it a second thought, but the FANS OF KPOP are the ones who are annoying as hell.

  151. SW

    August 6, 2014 at 4:26 pm

    Are you a YG fans? hahahaha cuz you keep on mentioning YG artists , like it!

  152. #7YEARSwithSNSD

    August 5, 2014 at 8:57 am

    YEAH !! This is true !!
    There are some people only that are narrow minded to understand how we like Kpop sa much <3
    but,, i don't care !! I LOVE KPOP so no one can stop me from loving it 🙂

  153. Karina Shum

    August 4, 2014 at 7:43 pm

    haha the unwritten basic rule of the internet: you’d be inhuman not to hate or even merely dislike some things, but just don’t be a jerk about it. whenever I see hateful comments it puzzles me that somebody would invest that much effort into expressing their hate in such a way that they know will offend other people so they can …i don’t know, feel better about themselves? great article! although sometimes imo silence is the best response; if they’re dumb enough to feel the need to give reasons to justify the rude and insensitive way they expressed their hatred for something there’s no point in wasting your time sending a message to somebody who simply won’t get it.

  154. waly1215

    August 4, 2014 at 6:16 pm

    Haters gonna hate.
    Haters to the hell.

  155. luna

    August 4, 2014 at 1:00 pm

    Hi first at all sorry my English. Ok… I love kpop it makes me so happy and only my kpopers friends get this. I heard other people saying that kpop is a manufacture fabric because companies take young kids to make them into idols, and I think, is not that what we do to become professionals? If we want to be doctors we go to medicine school, if we want to be any other kind of job we go to college, community college or a technical school… did a make my point? We spent years in school studying and some of us might make it thru, but some might not finish school, some of us are so talented that can become a professional without even putting a foot in a university (we have many social names to prove that). So I compare one thing with other and I think only being talented you came make it. Otherwise why company would take an untalented person just for the sake of it? We have seem many of our idols when they started looking like little ugly ducks (now beautiful swans) but with that potential able to be exploded (and companies make sure they will exploit every single dust of talent in those kids as long that brings money)… That training is their school, some spent lots of years and some spent just few months before debuting. and then just like the regulars professional whom need to find a to job and win money and be prosper, they need to make use that training and make it work so they can become a full time artist. So concluding I don’t think kpop is a fabric if those kids do not work hard for they dream as they do. the ashamed one should be us who just criticizes them but we make such an act when somebody criticizes us.
    KPOP-lover. 🙂

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